In the latest in our In Conversion With podcast series Pharmacy Magazine editor Richard Thomas talks to NPA chief executive Mark Lyonette about pharmacy's continuing fight for proper recognition and its funding struggles, both severely exacerbated by the Covid crisis. Also discussed is the public perception of pharmacy, workplace pressures, pharmacy's relationship with NHS England and the importance of rebuilding trust between ministers, officials and sector representatives. Why is the Government is still getting it badly wrong over funding. We also discussed how he thinks the NPA has performed in this difficult year.